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is 16 too many - 10/5/2008 8:36:51 PM

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I just wanted to throw this one out there. Maybe this is a good problem to have. To much is better than to little. However this year 16 events is a pretty large commitment if your going for NETA points. In 1998 we had 10, 1999-12, 2000-12, 2001-12, 2002-13, 2003-14, 2004-11, 2005-10, 2006-11 ,2007-12. How about 12 events and check just one?

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RE: is 16 too many - 10/5/2008 11:01:39 PM

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Finally a rational proposal!
I'd be happy with 10 events and having to check two!
16 events makes for a long, expensive season.

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RE: is 16 too many - 10/6/2008 12:29:02 AM

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This was a topic of conversation at the district 3 event today. There they do not have a season championship, but also feel it best to limit the number of events. BUT, they do also compete with two other organizations and sometimes their events are on the same day.

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RE: is 16 too many - 10/6/2008 10:12:43 AM

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I am for it, mainly because it gives me more time to have fun at other events.

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RE: is 16 too many - 10/6/2008 10:26:49 AM

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The work two rule::
   This came about because VT, Maine and the smaller clubs had about 3,4 or 5 people. They didn't have people to check. Before that you had to work 1, but there was 2 throw aways. Now its work two and throw 1 away. Before I joind RITC, I would work at a two day like Maine, work one day ride the other.

    I would like to see Clubs stay away from the HOLIDAY week ends. Sept. the kids are just going back to school, Oct. is the last one before winter. People might want to do family things, but if they are in the runnuig, they can't miss any. Just M O

   16 takes a lot of time out of a summer.

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RE: is 16 too many - 10/6/2008 12:02:11 PM

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quote:

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Finally a rational proposal!
I'd be happy with 10 events and having to check two!
16 events makes for a long, expensive season.

Just because an initial proposal doesnt make sense to you it doesnt mean logical discussion cant bring out new, good ideas.

I agree that 16 is too many. Its tough on a family. I also think less than 10 is too little.

Cap the events at 12 per year. Have each club, theres 7 I believe, choose their dates. The club with the most events on the schedule will be forced to drop one event from the schedule to accomodate another club...and to keep the evnts under 12. Hypothetically if all the clubs have penciled in 13 events. RITC has 4 and SMC has one...RITC should drop one to reach the 12 events to allow SMC to have an event...or vice versa.

The work issue is a tough one. My opinion at this time is that working 2 events is too much but I would like to hear from the smaller clubs like VT and Maine on what they think before I completely make up my mind. I would hate to think that becuase we only need to work 1 event that an event like Brookesville would potentially be taken off the schedule. That would be a loss for us all.

Having such a long schedule may keep away quite a few people that would otherwise go for points. In turn this may hurt regular attendence. The more I think about it 10 events with working one may be the best alternative...i dont know.

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RE: is 16 too many - 10/6/2008 3:19:06 PM

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Another thing to think about: With so many events, people will start to pick and choose which ones they want to go to, resulting in a lower turnout per event. The cost for puting on an event, however, is the same, so the people that go must also pay more than usual.

So you get less turnout and more expense. How many of the threads on here are about those 2 subjects?

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RE: is 16 too many - 10/7/2008 1:51:03 PM

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To me, one of the best things about Trials is that it can be a family activity.

However, it can be a family problem when 2-day events are held during the school year. I think 2-day events should not happen when kids are in school. Kids missing school is not a good thing. As a parent with two kids in school, we are faced with taking the kids out of school so we can all go to the event together, or having the kids stay at home with one of the parents.

I would prefer to limit 2-events to summer months (non school season).

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RE: is 16 too many - 10/7/2008 2:43:36 PM

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We may have a few less next year any way. I think who ever gets the National, may want to tone down on there events.

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RE: is 16 too many - 10/7/2008 11:54:33 PM

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I personally don't mind trying to work two events , but being self employed with three businesses is ruff . The club I belong to requires you to work two of there events to be a member in good standing . This is fine with me but it takes any real availability for me to work another clubs event . Heck in the summer time I won't even make many events . I would be up for more events in spring and fall , I would have a better chance of attending. I think 12 events is a good number ,and maybe have 2 or 3 throw aways.

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RE: is 16 too many - 10/12/2008 4:58:25 PM

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I never thought I'd see the day when anyone would want LESS events! I say the more the merrier! Bring it on! If I can't afford to go to all the events, I won't go! Anyone who is willing to do the work to put on an event should be given an award for the effort. If there is not enough rider turnout, the promoter will simply not do it again the next year. If you want to make it more affordable, limit the events to DISTRICT ONE only. Seems silly to cut back on our events and still have one in another district! I don't like driving to RI and CT for all the events, I'd like to see more in NH and ME. Remember, this is NEW ENGLAND trials, not "SOUTHERN" New England Trials. Motocrosser's ride 5 times as many events with a lot more expenses. Let's not put the brakes on progress.
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RE: is 16 too many - 10/12/2008 9:29:42 PM

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Motocrosser's ride 5 times as many events with a lot more expenses. Let's not put the brakes on progress.
Jareth
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They have to ride that many more events to make up for the 10 minutes they spend on the track.

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RE: is 16 too many - 10/13/2008 7:34:15 AM

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For me, cost is not the primary reason for thinking 16 is too many. If you want to commit to riding for points like me and involve your family like me, it is hard due the the number of weekends taken and travel time (vacation time). For our family, participating in 16 events (competing and checking), practically means giving up most other family activities. After while it is easy for family to think we can't do X because there is an event.

Of course, I could change my approach and only ride a few local events. Or, the requirements to ride for points could change (more events dropped or ride x of y events, etc.) Someone else suggested to me last weekend that I give up NETA events and ride the nationals. This way there would be only a few long weekends given up and I would be riding National caliber events.

I don't no the answer, but I did notice that there were between 40-50 riders at the last three events.

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RE: is 16 too many - 10/13/2008 8:58:25 AM

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Jareth:
Your not riding so why care about how many events there are.
" More in NH and Maine " So I guess you are going to put one on next Year.

The trip to NY this week end I keep a tab. Between Motel (2) nights, Gas, event fees, food etc just under $400.00. When all the Senior Center Boys go it is a lot less $$ per guy. I won't even take a guess on what it cost for the guys with the BIG RIGS.

I know next year I am going to rethink doing any events on Holiday week ends. That will be extra time on the Road Bike with my Better half. And just as much fun.

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RE: is 16 too many - 10/13/2008 10:51:23 AM

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Ride 16 events and have your club put on 4. That's one hell of a commitment both financial and time!
The "more the merrier"..great if you are riding 1 to 2 events/year and you can pick and choose by location or your personal schedule.
I've got to catch up on 6 months worth of yard work!

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RE: is 16 too many - 10/14/2008 7:55:15 AM

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MY take on this is if there were 16 events ,one could it be set up so you only count 10 or 12 and throw out the the rest . You could also still have two throw outs for bad score making it so the points system still works , IE : If you ride 16 event you have to get rid of two high score and 2 low scores and 2 chosen scores .This would also help those that wish too ride for points to get there work credits in. Just An Idea ,from the noob. It would let people chose the events they want to ride , or go to all of the events . I admit ,I have never put on an event.

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RE: is 16 too many - 10/14/2008 2:08:18 PM

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I agree with Jareth, If you build it, they will come. If there are people out there willing to put the time and energy into putting on an event for us, then let them.

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RE: is 16 too many - 10/14/2008 2:49:40 PM

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motohed:
I for one wouldn't be interested in puting on and event if there was a chance it would be thrown out, not count for points.
Like you said you haven't put on an event, so you realy don't know how much work it is.

IMO the thing about the 2 high and 2 low and 2 of choice, won't fly.
We already throw out the worst high score. The LOW scores are the ones you want to keep.

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RE: is 16 too many - 10/14/2008 2:52:12 PM

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I think a more creative throw away system, or just more fun events would help.

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RE: is 16 too many - 10/14/2008 3:00:56 PM

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LASER1:
The fun events sound good, but we ( RITC ) have a fun event every year. This is comeing up soon, come down and ride, check our web.
You will see, not a lot of riders will travel that far for a fun event.

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