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RE: Smith Berry, Adv/Ext Section 1 quesiton - 5/4/2008 4:22:33 PM

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Looks like Dan and Leo hit the nail on the head. I don't see any confusion in the section other as described than the checker changing his mind about his interpretation of the rules. The only difference between the A and B lines here is the B's can go around the tree and the A's have to go down (or up?) and back on the same side of the tree, either side. This is a common mistake by trialsmasters, but easily remedied (but apparently meant to be that way for this event). All a Trialsmaster needs to do is make the space between the tree and the ribbon so narrow that you can't get by the tree twice without crossing your tracks. Or, like Leo pointed out, put B arrows on the tree and the adjacent ribbon, thereby closing off that part of the section to anyone without a B.
Part of this sport is looking for those hidden lines or shortcuts. It's not cheating, it's using all your experience to its fullest potential. In this scenario, I would say that Dan took the hardest line unnecessarily, but maybe that's what he wanted.
I don't think it should be up to the checker to decide what part of the section is OK to ride or not, based on his, often inexperienced, interpretation of the rules. A rider should be able to go into the section and ride it according to the rules without concern of penalty. If that rider misinterpreted the rules, then he would get the appropriate penalties.
I took a five one time riding over a log on top of a hill without stopping on it, and then crashing, because I could see how difficult it would be to stop. Then two riders stopped and stalled on the log, while resting on the skid plate, and were not given a five. I was very upset, because I could have done that if I knew the checker wasn't going to follow the rules as written in our rulebook. This is why I feel the checkers should follow the rules and you should not need to ask them. In this case, the checker was an expert rider who knew the rules!
Ride on!
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RE: Smith Berry, Adv/Ext Section 1 quesiton - 5/5/2008 12:56:06 PM

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Looking for and finding the hidden lines is all well and good. The problem is the checker having the final say in what is right and wrong. The topic was started because Tim saw it one way and the checker a different way. Since then, there have been different interpretations as to what the correct lines are.
Even if you know the rules, which is asking alot of the riders, the checker must also know and understand them for his/ her section.
There is no clear, easy solution. The fact that everyone is talking about it should help clear it up in the future.

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RE: Smith Berry, Adv/Ext Section 1 quesiton - 5/5/2008 4:57:26 PM

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Tony:
I don't think it is a lot to ask of a rider to know the rules.
Every sport I played you had to know them. Let's take the # plate rule, people just don't want to follow it. I was told by a rider that he didn't need his NETA # on the plate and it wouldn't look good with what he had. I didn't see him at my event or he would have got extra pts. You can't catch them all, but it is a simple rule to follow.

Dan put a copy of the no. plate on this web. It showed just how it should be, but some one asked, can I just put my last name? this is after seeing the no. plate on the web.

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RE: Smith Berry, Adv/Ext Section 1 quesiton - 5/10/2008 10:52:30 PM

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I got an $81 parking ticket in Virginia last week. I told the cop I didn't know I couldn't park there, in the rest area, but he still gave me the ticket. I wasn't happy, but I should have known and followed the rules. The riders have no excuse for not knowing the rules. (People who sign up for a one day pass or new membership should be handed a rulebook right then and there!). Trying to teach one time checkers all the rules is a real task. I would love to spend a few days teaching checkers the rules, but what usually happens is, at the last minute I'm begging people to check who have never even been to an event before! Sometimes the rider needs to be patient and politely explain the rule to the checker. I have had to do this on more than one occasion and the checker didn't have any problem with it once it was explained. I know it sounds kinda backaswards to explain the rules to the one who is trying to 'enforce' them (or, to give you points), but that's the way it is and there's no easy solution...
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