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RE: Neta class loops - 9/25/2008 10:25:45 PM   
motofire


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ORIGINAL: fuma

Jason's idea about allowing you to drop your worst loop score is a good one.  You still get to ride 5 loops if you want and it takes pressure off new riders who are trying to do well. You'd have the chance to drop the loop if you messed up a section and be more willing to try some riskier lines.
The more I think about this idea from Jason the more I like it. At first I didnt. It looks like it could work across the classification board too.  It also allows you to take some chances knowing that you have a mulligan loop.

This would be considered a radical change. I wonder what the long time NETA riders think about this.

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ORIGINAL: fuma
Personally I would have no issues of a senior B rider coming down to ride Novice. 
 I wish they would. Especially if theres only an average of 2 Novices per event next year.

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ORIGINAL: fuma I think advanced has more of a need for 4 loops since the sections are harder and the lines are longer at each section.
Actually the Expert sections usually have no lines. Theres less riders.
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RE: Neta class loops - 9/25/2008 11:12:06 PM   
fuma


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Status: offline 		It would be a radical change.  Part of me likes it and part of me doesn't.  The first loop would always be my mulligan loop since it has always been my worst.  I would like to improve on my first loop and having it be a mulligan would remove some of the motivation.  I am riding for fun yet at the same time I am trying to do my best if that makes any sense?
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RE: Neta class loops - 9/25/2008 11:16:44 PM   
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Status: online 		bmac:  your guess is correct, sir.  I have never been a scorekeeper.  Are you implying that my proposal creates an impossible burden on the scorekeepers?  Is it really that hard for a scorekeeper to figure out that a rider who was supposed to ride 5 loops only rode 4?  To tell the truth, I didn't pay attention to how the scoring is done.  Is it all pencil-and-paper?  If so, then I will volunteer to write a program for this purpose.  Scoring ought to be a simple job:  just type in the rider's number, loop number, and what he scored in each section.  Computer figures out the rest.

Dan:  what problem am I trying to solve?  Umm ... I don't really know.  Somebody said we need a way to drop a loop, so I was trying to come up with a fair way to do it.  I am not wedded to my idea, and I'll gladly drop it if ya'll don't like it.

TonyC:  I probably made it sound more complicated than it really is.  The implementation is simple:  at the end of the day scorekeeper sees a Novice who rode only 4 loops.  Scorekeeper adds 15 points to what the guy scored on his 4-th loop.  That becomes the guy's score for the 5-th loop.  That's all there is to it.

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RE: Neta class loops - 9/25/2008 11:34:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: motofire
Vitaly this question is for you....In all the evnts you did...did you find any of the sections too difficult?

I aks you this because your a relatively new rider off road...and very new to trials. So I give your opinion on section difficulty, and event difficulty more weight than a new trials rider like myself or Fuma who have been riding off road for years.

Too difficult in what sense?  My scores are horrible for sure, but I enjoy the sections immensely.  I've had a few crashes, but I haven't hurt myself nor the bike.  So I think the sections are fine.  Yes they are very challenging for me personally, but that's because I hardly get any practice time on the bike.  When the season started I had hoped to make a serious commitment to practice and to attend the majority of events.  Unfortunately life interfered.  It would be silly of me to expect trialsmasters to tailor the sections down to my ability level.  I will keep showing up when the time permits, and I'll keep collecting those 3's and 5's, but I'll be smiling all the while.  One caveat:  I haven't ridden Exeter yet, so maybe I'll change my answer ;-)

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RE: Neta class loops - 9/26/2008 12:18:13 AM   
motofire


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Status: offline 		Thanks...Good info.
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RE: Neta class loops - 9/26/2008 9:37:32 AM   
laser1

 

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Status: offline 		In a prior thread on the number of loops, I thought Jasons Idea to make the last loop optional would be ideal on the few bad weather events that can unintentially affect the level difficulty of both loop and sections.. I was subsequently informed that there was no need for that as theres already a provision for that in the rule book (section III, Item G)  - However, this states that 2 loops are to be removed. ( I didnt see any other provision in the NETA rules, but maybe its contained in the NATC version) I think there should be a option for one loop removed (or 2 if appropriate) in bad weather (trial masters discretion) to decrease the number of DNF's. Combining it with Jasons idea might be considered as well. To make the rule specifc to requiring a decrease of 2 loops doesnt make sense to me. It would be helpfull to understand the background of the current rule.
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RE: Neta class loops - 9/26/2008 11:31:44 AM   
motofire


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Status: offline 		Thats an oddly written rule.

All the events that I have been to that were shortened due to weather were only shortened by one.
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RE: Neta class loops - 9/26/2008 1:43:34 PM   
bmac

 

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Status: offline 		I think every one should read the rule book and a lot of ???s wouldn't be asked.
The Trials Master runs things. He can have as many loops as he wants, he can extend the time. The thing he has to make sure of is that he has 8 sections for Experts and 7 for novice. And a Out house.
The loop rule is what is recommended, they are not a must do.
Like I said everyone should read the rules.
   You will come to fine that things done are at the discretion of the Clerk of the Course. ( trials master ) 

< Message edited by bmac -- 9/26/2008 1:59:13 PM >
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RE: Neta class loops - 9/26/2008 2:14:58 PM   
bmac

 

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Status: offline 		Who wants to take this little test::
  With out looking it up:: I am in a section, I have a foot down on a rock, I notice a stick in my front wheel, so reach down and pull it out then ride the rest of the section.

What pts will you give me if any???
A little fun for a change.

Lets make it just for the Novice riders.



< Message edited by bmac -- 9/26/2008 2:18:36 PM >
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RE: Neta class loops - 9/26/2008 2:17:24 PM   
tbutland

 

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Status: offline 		my vote is a 5..
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RE: Neta class loops - 9/26/2008 2:51:51 PM   
motofire


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RE: Neta class loops - 9/26/2008 3:18:46 PM   
laser1

 

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Status: offline 		It made perfect sense to me until I read the rule book.
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RE: Neta class loops - 9/27/2008 9:01:59 AM   
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Status: online 		I think pulling a stick with your hand is considered altering a section, so that's a 5.  ???

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RE: Neta class loops - 9/27/2008 9:21:07 AM   
bmac

 

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Status: offline 		blackduc;
          Read the rule book. Then let every one know why it is a 5.
Thanks

Any one else got one??  This might be a way to get people to read the book

< Message edited by bmac -- 9/27/2008 9:26:55 AM >
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RE: Neta class loops - 9/27/2008 10:01:20 AM   
luis

 

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Can you start in any section?
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RE: Neta class loops - 9/27/2008 1:55:29 PM   
bmac

 

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Status: offline 		luis:
   Yes, you can start in any section that is for your class, unless the T/M said to start at a certian section wich happens a lot. After starting at a section of choice, you have to ride them in order from there all loops. If the T/M tells you to start at sec #3, just for the first loop, then you can start on sec#! there after.

Sorry I should have waited for others first. 

< Message edited by bmac -- 9/27/2008 1:59:59 PM >
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RE: Neta class loops - 9/27/2008 2:28:46 PM   
bmac

 

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Status: offline 		You are in a section, you have your front tire aganst a tree for balance, feet on the pegs, also your front fender is touching the tree.
The checker holds up a !. is that right?
True or False
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RE: Neta class loops - 9/27/2008 3:18:34 PM   
motofire


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Status: offline 		Sounds like a trick question to me. Without looking something about being at a 45 degree angle may make a difference here, or was that your handlebar?

Anyways...I would say False.
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RE: Neta class loops - 9/28/2008 9:15:02 AM   
bmac

 

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Status: offline 		John:
     The only thing that can touch when you balance is the tires. So the fender is a point.
If you were on a log and you balance with your skid plate, with feet on the pegs, no points,as long as your feet stayed on the pegs.
NO trick ??'s It is in the rule book.
It seems there will be a National next year, These riders will do any thing they can get away with. As a checker you have to look for things other than the foot on the ground, the lean aganist the tree, backing up.
AH: backing up. We all know riders that can HOP to eather side. When they start to hop, I look at some thing on the ground, stick, rock any thing. When you can't see that thing any longer, they have backed up, that's a 5

< Message edited by bmac -- 9/28/2008 9:35:16 AM >
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RE: Neta class loops - 9/28/2008 9:54:53 AM   
motofire


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Status: offline 		Guess I should go study some more....
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