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RE: Neta class loops - 9/28/2008 6:02:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bmac

luis:
  Yes, you can start in any section that is for your class, unless the T/M said to start at a certian section wich happens a lot. After starting at a section of choice, you have to ride them in order from there all loops. If the T/M tells you to start at sec #3, just for the first loop, then you can start on sec#! there after.

Sorry I should have waited for others first. 


I disagree.
The rulebook says you can start at the section of your choice.
I disregard what section the T/M says to start at.
If you start at section 3 (because the T/M says to) you MUST continue to ride the sections in the same order for the entire event!
If you start at 3 and therefore end at 2, and start the next loop back at section 1, you can be penalized 25 points for riding sections out of order.

A fender against a tree would be 0ne point, however, most checkers will let that slide as part of the tire for no points.
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RE: Neta class loops - 9/28/2008 6:16:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Seems to me like we're complicating things a bit.

Here's some thoughts that jump to mind:

1- Part of the problem with the Novice class is the destruction of the Beginner class.
2- Section difficulty needs to be consistent.
3- If you can ride 5 loops, then the loops are too long, the sections too hard, or you're not ready to ride the class in question.
4- Long loops don't help anything!
5- Difficult Novice sections hurt the sport.
6- Section difficulty MUST be set at a certain level for each class REGARDLESS of the riders who are riding the sections, thereby allowing a rider to choose the class that best suits his riding ability. And the rider should be able to expect consistent section difficulty for that class throughout the season.
7- It doesn't help anyone to make sections more difficult at the end of the season "because the riders have gotten better". New riders could be starting out at any time during the season.

It sounds like we're trying to fix a problem by creating more problems.
The simplest solution is usually the best.

I would propose the following:
1- Keep the Novice line exceedingly easy.
2- Keep the loop count as it has been.
3- Consolidate all the Youth classes and beginner classes into one Beginner class.
4- Insist on short loops
5- Think about who will be our leader next year and Make sure he is up to the task.
No business runs very well without good leadership.
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RE: Neta class loops - 9/28/2008 6:37:55 PM   
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Status: online 		Do what you want with the other classes but dont touch the Youth Class. Its the only class that doesnt bitch and moan they just want to ride. By introducing older riders into that class in the form of begginners on bigger bikes someone will get hurt. As it is now it works. If you have a problem with the Begginer Class, which obviously you do, go after the begginer class...not the Youths.
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RE: Neta class loops - 9/28/2008 7:11:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jareth:
   You should have quoted the whole rule, It says also unless the T/M tells you where to start. rule III letter E
If you don't do that, IMO that is cutting the course--25pts and also 25pts for unsportsmen like conduct.
I think you should read my post again, we said the same thing, except for the disregarding the T/M.
What you want to do in #3 with the Youths is the worst thing to do, we will lose them as well as there farther. Talk about low rider count.
I don't know why you and Dan always say " the destruction of the beginner class ", we still have one. I must be missing some thing.

< Message edited by bmac -- 9/28/2008 7:33:11 PM >
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RE: Neta class loops - 9/28/2008 7:26:27 PM   
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Status: online 		I meant to put this in my last post but left it out....

Whats the difference bewteen the current beginner class and the old one.

At all the evnets i have been to this year the beginners have had their own section, most of them have even had their own loop. Also an experienced rider has been bringing the around to help and teach. Whats the difference?
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RE: Neta class loops - 10/3/2008 7:28:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just like last time we discussed rules, there are many interpretations! When talking about specific, real life situations, the rulebook is confusing to most, no matter how many times you read it!!
here are two more situations...
1. your in a section and as you are going over a log, your motor dies, no big deal, your resting on the log with your skid plate, move the kickstarter out with your toe and kick it over, it starts up, and you finish the section with no dabs. Score?

2. It hotter than the day of the Brimfield event. Your sweating like a pig. As your riding the section, sweat is dripping into your eye and you can't see, so you hit a rock and have to dab. While footing, you wipe the sweat off your brow and finish with clear vision. Score?
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RE: Neta class loops - 10/5/2008 12:34:29 AM   
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Status: online 		Tony, #1 will cost you a 5.  #2 will cost you a 5 as well - the rule says both hands must be on the bars while footing.  Definitely not intuitive, and hard to justify under these circumstances.  I would be curious to know the reason behind that rule.

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RE: Neta class loops - 10/5/2008 8:28:15 AM   
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Tony, #1 will cost you a 5.  #2 will cost you a 5 as well - the rule says both hands must be on the bars while footing.  Definitely not intuitive, and hard to justify under these circumstances.  I would be curious to know the reason behind that rule.
Because someone could take their hand off the bars and grab the rear end to move it if stuck.
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RE: Neta class loops - 10/6/2008 9:57:56 AM   
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Because someone could take their hand off the bars and grab the rear end to move it if stuck.

That's a reasonable concern, but seems to me it would be very easy to write the rule that explicitly prohibits this.

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RE: Neta class loops - 10/7/2008 6:56:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi guys I personally have some injury issues that I deal with . I started playing with trials in 2005 ,and found I was un able to compete on a right hand kick start. I have ridden dirt for years before injuries sustained in an accident . I will be trying to ride now that  have purchase a left hand kick start bike . My goal is to lose some weight get active in the sport ,along with bringing in my children . My point is it would be nice to have a place to start as a newbie with already existing injuries . I don't expect a walk through ,but I am not looking to die either, I have already tried that in the accident and would prefer not too again . I am 49 years old this year and have four 10 year olds and an 8 year old ,they seem to like the sport and I enjoy spending my time with them . My point is ,I am sure there are some others that would like to learn the sport from the general club members . I enjoyed myself at the last RITC event ,just meeting the people . Much more laid back atmosphere ,than hare scrambles and enduro. This is just my 2 cents for what it's worth . I don't really expect special treatment just a place to ride in an event and hope to finish.

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RE: Neta class loops - 10/7/2008 9:36:08 AM   
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Status: online 		Sounds like you would fit the rule proposal that Tom threw out there about the C split. Go to the NETA meeting and support it.
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RE: Neta class loops - 10/7/2008 12:53:30 PM   
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   The hand rule, covers it all no need for a rule about lifting the back or any part of the bike with your hand.
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RE: Neta class loops - 10/12/2008 5:19:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: motofire
This was an idea brought up by Steve C in the Exeter thread. That thread was all over the place so I figured I would start a new theread and keep it on topic. Heres his idea.
Any thoughts on my suggestion to run 4 loops for everyone riding "Novice" sections (plus Senior Advanced) and 5 for everyone riding "Expert" sections? Can't keep it much simpler than that...

I think it's fine the way it is, let's leave it alone, can't get any simpler than that.
Jareth
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