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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/21/2010 8:28:22 PM

krac

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Although im no longer a club member, why would the club vote to not put on the Enduro if they had a willing trailboss?

During the regular PSTR meetings in October and November prior to the NETRA sanction meeting at which about a dozen or so regulars normally attend, the subject was discussed and nobody was really interested in putting on an Enduro. Mostly due to the fact that the last two PSTR closed course Enduro's where publicly blasted, and riders ridiculed PSTR club members the day of the event. Even though the events had double the attendance of the last PSTR Enduro, no one really cared to take on the job.

It was after the announcement came out in the PSTR newsletter, that a group of members showed up at the meeting, made a motion to have an Enduro, and the vote was narrowly passed. The fact this group openly dislikes members of the club, and made accusations of theft of club funds, among other things.

This is the 2nd time in club history that a goup of members used the club for their own purpose. Back in the 1990's a group of 14 people, led by club member showed up at a club meeting and forced the signing of Freetown MOA with the state so they could have a place to ride.

The Enduro vote meeting really bothered me to the point of drafting the Bylaw proposal.

All I care about is seeing the club remain active and fun. That is the "truth"

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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/21/2010 8:51:17 PM

Dav5049915

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Dave,
I can't believe you refer to paying members as extra baggage. I don't work many events as I travel for work and am out of the country consistantly.

Bryan

I didn't use the term excess baggage.

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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/21/2010 9:06:32 PM

chuggin

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I think enduros are fun and harescrambles are fun and turkey runs are fun and charity rides are fun and riding my home track is fun. Ive never not had fun on my dirtbike. So why are you so bothered by a fun enduro? Why are you choking voting rights? Why are you so afraid of this narrow margin enduro vote. Why do you want to restrict the availability of Netra work credit. Its a recreational club. Loosen the reigns. Encourage people to seek the thankless chair officer jobs. Stop feeling so personal about other points of view. My skin is thick.

"The Rash"

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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/21/2010 9:28:52 PM

krac

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I can't believe you refer to paying members as extra baggage. I don't work many events as I travel for work and am out of the country consistantly.

I also find it interesting that I was declined when asked 3 months ahead of time to work the PSTR challenge. How can one be expected to gain voting rights points when they are declined to work.

Dave didn't say that I did. I was referring to people that show up to work an event without a bike, and vanish before the cleanup is done, and arrows pulled. Or the C riders a couple of years ago that were told to fix the ribbons in the sand pit during the A/B race, only to see them crash into the crowd at the water crossing.

The problem people don't see is the number of work requests the club gets. This year again we have over 100 requests that came in early. No matter what method we come up with who ever is turned down is going to be pissed.

Under the proposed change you can help clear the trails for a few weekends before the spring race, help out at the 1st short course, and attend some of the 6 meetings. You get your work credit, and you get some seat time with a bunch of club members.

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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/21/2010 9:34:31 PM

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Ok here is my issue... I am all for some kind of criteria for being an active/voting member. I think it gives incentive to give a little back to the club. The problem is getting the work credit. I spoke to Gordie on my way home from the winter scramble in January to see if I could work the spring challenge and was refused my netra credit, mind you this is more than three months ahead of time. I was told that "I have more than I need, sorry." So now this new by law will require me to get 25 credits. Can someone tell me when I should put the call in for that work credit???? I just dont see how I will be able to compile 25 credits when I cant get one!!!!!!

I too try to help out when I can working, and on clean up days but lets remember guys no one is getting paid to ride here, we all have jobs,families, and other responsabilities. For most it's a hobby and one we love. So lets try to keep this club fun. I don't know about anyone else but riding is a stress relief for me and the small town politics of this club are getting to me (and I believe many others) it is not long before people look for other clubs! Something I believe I will be exploring soon!!!

Thanks

Jesse Fortes

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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/21/2010 10:01:43 PM

krac

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ORIGINAL: jf4023

So now this new by law will require me to get 25 credits. Can someone tell me when I should put the call in for that work credit???? I just dont see how I will be able to compile 25 credits when I cant get one!!!!!!

Hi Jesse,

You can call always call the Trail Boss, Gordie, or even better come to the meetings and offer to help. I know the Enduro crew has been doing forest cleanup, and some people have been out working on the Hare Scramble/Short Course tracks.

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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/21/2010 10:27:22 PM

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like I stated in my post before, I spoke to Gordie.

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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/21/2010 10:32:43 PM

EGG

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You can call always call the Trail Boss, Gordie, or even better come to the meetings and offer to help. I know the Enduro crew has been doing forest cleanup, and some people have been out working on the Hare Scramble/Short Course tracks. ORIGINAL: krac

Ken -

Do you know (and would be willing to post) what were some of the methods to earn points and what values were associated with those methods?

I remember attending a meeting was one point, and there are a lot of meetings each year. I think trail bossing an event is ten points.

There are a certain number of points for trail clearing crews, working an event, working prior to an event, etc.

Maybe if we knew more details about the point system, people would feel that meeting the 25 point minimum is attainable.

Thanks
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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/21/2010 10:58:38 PM

Dav5049915

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ORIGINAL: EGG

Ken -

Do you know (and would be willing to post) what were some of the methods to earn points and what values were associated with those methods?

I remember attending a meeting was one point, and there are a lot of meetings each year. I think trail bossing an event is ten points.

There are a certain number of points for trail clearing crews, working an event, working prior to an event, etc.

Maybe if we knew more details about the point system, people would feel that meeting the 25 point minimum is attainable.

Thanks
Ernie

Ernie,
The point system is going to be posted in the PSTR newsletter along with the bylaw change proposals. I dont know every way to gain points, i just try to show up as often as my schedule allows, which is very often.

To fill in what you have, working on clearing trails and similar work days will gain you 5 points per day.
i think those three are the main ways to gain points.
i heard another way was at certain special events you can represent the club (like those town hall meeting things for the state forests) but they are not regularly scheduled events.

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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/22/2010 6:17:28 AM

Jay L

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ORIGINAL: chuggin

I think enduros are fun and harescrambles are fun and turkey runs are fun and charity rides are fun and riding my home track is fun. Ive never not had fun on my dirtbike. So why are you so bothered by a fun enduro? Why are you choking voting rights? Why are you so afraid of this narrow margin enduro vote. Why do you want to restrict the availability of Netra work credit. Its a recreational club. Loosen the reigns. Encourage people to seek the thankless chair officer jobs. Stop feeling so personal about other points of view. My skin is thick.

"The Rash"

If your so opposed to the way the club is managed and/or run, why don't you just join another local club? Oh yeah, you would have to fulfill their membership requirements.

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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/22/2010 10:52:25 AM

chuggin

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I won't join another local club because that is what you want. Why don't you get a simple majority at the next meeting and declare me detrimental to the club and yank my membership. That majority will be nice and easy after this proposal goes through and all the excessive baggage not voting. I bet you can get your little cliche' to make it an unanimous vote amongst yourselves again.

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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/22/2010 11:23:11 AM

Bigred460

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ORIGINAL: Dav5049915

1 point per meeting attended. there are 24 meetings a year
5 points for a workday (earthday cleanup, short courses, most any other event where we are clearing trails / setting up for an event)
I believe 10 points for trailbossing an event.

5 points for trail clearing but only 10 to trailboss?
With all the work required to be trailboss (physical and administrative), shouldn't it be more like 100 points?

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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/22/2010 12:50:43 PM

Dav5049915

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ORIGINAL: Bigred460

5 points for trail clearing but only 10 to trailboss?
With all the work required to be trailboss (physical and administrative), shouldn't it be more like 100 points?

i don't know if its 10 points for sure. i can't speak for being a NETRA trailboss, but i've been a trailboss of the PSTR short course scrambles many times, and with how we do things it's very easy for the trailboss to make the race happen.

I know for a fact that it's much harder to be a trailboss for a NETRA event, so that might gain you more then say 10 points.
Once i get the newsletter with the points system, i'll make sure to post it in here.

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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/22/2010 2:37:07 PM

chuggin

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Dave
"just as we've learned with crying about netra, hardly anything gets changed by crying and playing victim on NEDB. Write a letter to Gordie with your proposed bylaw changes to get them in the newsletter. There is a process to getting stuff done." Dave

I was going to write that letter to Gordie like you said but realized it is not the proper process. All motions and bylaw proposals need to be made at a meeting and seconded. Bylaw proposals can't be voted on until the next scheduled meeting and after the membership is notified. It then must have a 2/3 majority in favor to pass.

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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/22/2010 2:41:10 PM

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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/22/2010 2:53:06 PM

Dav5049915

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ORIGINAL: chuggin

I was going to write that letter to Gordie like you said but realized it is not the proper process. All motions and bylaw proposals need to be made at a meeting and seconded. Bylaw proposals can't be voted on until the next scheduled meeting and after the membership is notified. It then must have a 2/3 majority in favor to pass.

I don't have a copy of the bylaws in front of me, so thank you for clarifying.

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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/22/2010 3:20:42 PM

GEOFF

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I think we should have a PSTR event santion meeting prior to the NETRA one and let all club members know about it beforehand. Also with as many events as we plan we should limit the amount of events a member can trailboss to one. This way everyone will know what they/we are up against for next year and spread out the responsability.
Last year on the day of the Enduro, in the afternoon, after the smoke cleared and the tempers cooled, I personally told the President of the club I would be willing to help out next year carring out a legitamant Enduro, trail bossing or whatever. I guess the message did not get through and a small goup of members decided to speak for the rest of the club and not try to redeaem our selves with a real Enduro this year. ProbIbly because NETRA and the Comp.Com stated we must follow the rules for further events and someone in the club does not like to be told they were wrong. Hey we all make mistakes, lets move on.
When the notice of no Enduro came in the newsletter followed by a few one sided EO bashing colums and even an editorial, it raised quite a few heads.
Ihave been a member of this club for quite a few years and have seen a lot of GOOD people get fed up and leave because of this dictatorship style run club. Perhaps setting term limits for the officers would help keep the club energized and fresh.

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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/22/2010 3:28:54 PM

chuggin

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ORIGINAL: Dav5049915

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ORIGINAL: chuggin

I was going to write that letter to Gordie like you said but realized it is not the proper process. All motions and bylaw proposals need to be made at a meeting and seconded. Bylaw proposals can't be voted on until the next scheduled meeting and after the membership is notified. It then must have a 2/3 majority in favor to pass.

I don't have a copy of the bylaws in front of me, so thank you for clarifying.

Thanks to a "MHS" person tossing one in front of me during the last meeting,I now have 2-copies.

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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/22/2010 3:42:49 PM

Dav5049915

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ORIGINAL: chuggin

Thanks to a "MHS" person tossing one in front of me during the last meeting,I now have 2-copies.

Will you be attending the work party this weekend? I wouldn't mind having a copy to look over before proposing anything at the next meeting. If not I'll ask Gordie to mail me one.

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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/22/2010 3:43:33 PM

chuggin

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Geoff,
Term limits. I'll second that one.

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