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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/22/2010 4:21:32 PM   
Dav5049915


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ORIGINAL: chuggin

Geoff,
Term limits. I'll second that one.


I'd hope you guys know that there are some jobs in this club that it would take 5 people to fill that one position.
I know it sounds great on paper, but a better idea would be to vote someone in who shows interest and has the capability of filling a position.
I'd hate to have a bylaw force someone out of office only to have nobody want to fill that position. Just take an extra moment to think about those possibilities.
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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/22/2010 5:23:23 PM   
Tooch


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The Enduro vote meeting really bothered me to the point of drafting the Bylaw proposal.

All I care about is seeing the club remain active and fun. That is the "truth"




So this is what is driving this bylaw change! The club can have fun as long as its my type of fun.
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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/22/2010 7:26:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tooch

quote:

The Enduro vote meeting really bothered me to the point of drafting the Bylaw proposal.

All I care about is seeing the club remain active and fun. That is the "truth"




So this is what is driving this bylaw change! The club can have fun as long as its my type of fun.


i think you're reading into his statement wrong. The members who regularly attend meetings were bothered that a group of members who normally only put in a minimal effort showed up to the meeting and forced (by vote) the club to sanction the enduro date. 

That night, they disguised their intentions by saying that they wanted to at least sanction the date so the club wouldn't lose it.  This caused a few members who were on the fence as to which way to vote, voted for the enduro.
I've talked to a few members who voted in their favor who are now appalled by the behavior shown in this thread.
Just remember "EO" guys, you won the vote to put it on. Show us what you can do and have a successful event so we'll do another one next year.
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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/22/2010 10:40:57 PM   
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Thanks for your permission. Dave
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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/22/2010 10:49:53 PM   
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Thanks for your permission. Dave


You're welcome Matthew.
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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/22/2010 10:55:45 PM   
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"I've talked to a few members who voted in their favor who are now appalled by the behavior shown in this thread.
Just remember "EO" guys, you won the vote to put it on. Show us what you can do and have a successful event so we'll do another one next year" Dave

Their appalled?  I'm appalled at anyone trying to restrict my voting right. You struck a nerve that should run to the heart of every American. What have generations fought and died for?  Voting is sacred territory.  Don't mess with my right to speak, to protect myself or vote. Put all the work credit restrictions you want. I will not be quiet if you tie it to my right to vote.
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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/22/2010 11:05:52 PM   
Dav5049915


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Their appalled?  I'm appalled at anyone trying to restrict my voting right. You struck a nerve that should run to the heart of every American. What have generations fought and died for?  Voting is sacred territory.  Don't mess with my right to speak, to protect myself or vote. Put all the work credit restrictions you want. I will not be quiet if you tie it to my right to vote.


i hope to god we don't try and tax any of these races or you might have a tea party!

but seriously.  if you're THAT worried about the voting part of it, show up and cast your vote against it. if it passes, you can move on to another club that will allow you to have a vote for working a few times a year.
just remember, 25 points really isn't that hard to get, no matter how busy you are.
we have members who are out of the region for the majority of the year and still attain 25 points on a regular basis. This club really isn't about me me me, we all put our time in to make it successful ever year. and yes, even the inactive members that put a little effort in make a difference, even if its almost unmeasurable it all still adds up.
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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/23/2010 5:17:15 PM   
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Some pics of the PSTR annual dinner.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=9503&id=100000593853016&saved

Craig and I really enjoyed cooking for everyone.
Thanks for letting us be a part of a great bunch
of people.
We will see you (next time with cameras in hand) in
March!

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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/24/2010 11:52:59 AM   
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I'm new to all of this and have only been a PSTR member for a few months. On 2/16 I attended my first PSTR meeting so please excuse my ignorance, but here are some thoughts:

1. I was very surprised that after paying only $20- and having not yet done anything for the club, I could show up at the 2/16 meeting and cast a vote for the officer(s). And to learn that I had the right to put forth amendment proposals (such as what was presented), or vote on others that may have been presented at a prior meeting. This was a little shocking to be given this right for only $20- and showing up at one meeting. Which leads me to say there definitely should at least be a trial, non-voting period for new members.

2. I was amazed at the amount of work details, races and other events the club does, their time commitment and the amount some members contribute. Prior to the first meeting I was thinking it was more loosely organized with much less going on. It is 100x beyond what I expected. So, given this huge amount of effort needed, I do believe it is not much to ask for some minimum level of participation from club members.

3. While maybe a two-tier system is undesirable, I think at the very least a minimum participation level should be met to remain a member. And a quick read of the websites for a few other clubs shows this is a typical requirement for membership. It appears PSTR by not currently enforcing a participation requirement is out of the norm.

4. Concessions should be made for those not physically able to meet the minimum participation level. During the meeting I heard a few suggestions such as club promotion and letter writing to keep ORV use open as examples of other helpful activities.

5. Something needs to be done about the NETRA work credit rule. It appears there are too few opportunities for racers to get the credit. This system seems quite flawed to me. There should be more methods given for gaining the work credit. I'm curious if this is being addressed by any other clubs with the same issue?

6. Since entrants into PSTR races need to be club members for insurance purposes, is perhaps a one-day membership a possibility? Or, if not possible, these new members could be given the trial period during which they are non-voting members working to meet the minimum participation level. This is similar to two-tier system, however different in that beyond the trial period if minimum participation is not achieved these racers would no longer be club members. A monetary incentive could be added such that participating members pay $20- for the race, whereas trial members pay $40-50. Or something like that.

My thought is there should only be participating members......those that do not participate are simply not members.

My thoughts only, thanks for reading.
-Jim

< Message edited by jimmyc -- 2/24/2010 11:54:36 AM >
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RE: ATTENTION ALL PSTR - 2/24/2010 6:40:26 PM   
Berjr


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ORIGINAL: Tooch

I have been a member of PSTR since it was first organized and I am opposed to this by law change. For the last few years I have paid my dues and worked on many of the clubs events. I am getting OLD now and have some major medical issues now. My riding is limited but I try to help the club at events as much as I can. Now to think that I might not even be a voting member of the club does not sit well with me. In my case for the last few years I have paid my dues and just worked events for the club. If I can’t vote why should be a member? I know people will say you only need twenty five points but when you’re old and sick it’s not that easy. This bylaw change is creating two classes of membership, voting and nonvoting. If I can’t vote after paying my dues for over thirty five years then I won’t be a member of PSTR in the future.




I agree with this as well, Ill be at the meeting Ill have to take a nap before going they start at 8pm you know ;)
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